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ETHANOL QUESTIONS

First of all, are they adding Ethanol to the pump gas up in Georgia? Down here in Florida, all of the generic stations (like 7-11) and most of the major oil company stations are adding 10% Ethanol to the pump gas.

Of course, they are nice enough not to change the price of the gas, at least not significantly, that I can see. Florida is way more expensive than Georgia and the rest of the South, and has been for years, so I can't really compare FL to GA prices, but now we are only getting 90% gasoline for what seems to be 100% of the price.... if it's lower, it's only a few cents, and you'd think if the addition of Ethanol lowered price, they'd be pushing that as a selling point. BP actually says they've added "Invigorate" to the gas, like it's a performance enhancing additive.

Does the Ethanol in the gas affect the tune at all?

I haven't really noticed that the vette runs any different than it did before, but the vette is set up with some kind of sensor that pulls spark if you get a hold of lower than 93 octane fuel - it's in the factory tune, so I wouldn't get any pinging, but performance would be affected - however since I'm not racing the vette, or really running her hard anywhere, I can't really tell a difference in performance. I can't really tell with the Harley, either - maybe a little more popping on deceleration, but I've got aftermarket pipes.

I would think that mileage would be affected, no???

I remember back in the day - late 70s, early 80's - I was living in Arizona, and a few stations started putting ethanol in the gas. It wreeked havoc on my 260Z. Some of the fuel fittings and hoses sprung leaks. Apparently whatever they were made of at the time - neoprene or whatever, or maybe the sealer they used dissolved in alcohol. Has anyone heard of any of these kinds of issues in today's cars using ethanol??

I try to avoid stations that have the ethanol, but it's getting harder and harder to do.

-mike


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Hi Mike,

Most stations I am seeing have a sign that states it can have up to 10%. FWIW I did notice a reduction in mileage since the switchover.

Tim

96 GoldBird Wrote:
First of all, are they adding Ethanol to the pump gas up in Georgia? Down here in Florida, all of the generic stations (like 7-11) and most of the major oil company stations are adding 10% Ethanol to the pump gas.

Of course, they are nice enough not to change the price of the gas, at least not significantly, that I can see. Florida is way more expensive than Georgia and the rest of the South, and has been for years, so I can't really compare FL to GA prices, but now we are only getting 90% gasoline for what seems to be 100% of the price.... if it's lower, it's only a few cents, and you'd think if the addition of Ethanol lowered price, they'd be pushing that as a selling point. BP actually says they've added "Invigorate" to the gas, like it's a performance enhancing additive.

Does the Ethanol in the gas affect the tune at all?

I haven't really noticed that the vette runs any different than it did before, but the vette is set up with some kind of sensor that pulls spark if you get a hold of lower than 93 octane fuel - it's in the factory tune, so I wouldn't get any pinging, but performance would be affected - however since I'm not racing the vette, or really running her hard anywhere, I can't really tell a difference in performance. I can't really tell with the Harley, either - maybe a little more popping on deceleration, but I've got aftermarket pipes.

I would think that mileage would be affected, no???

I remember back in the day - late 70s, early 80's - I was living in Arizona, and a few stations started putting ethanol in the gas. It wreeked havoc on my 260Z. Some of the fuel fittings and hoses sprung leaks. Apparently whatever they were made of at the time - neoprene or whatever, or maybe the sealer they used dissolved in alcohol. Has anyone heard of any of these kinds of issues in today's cars using ethanol??

I try to avoid stations that have the ethanol, but it's getting harder and harder to do.

-mike

10-14-2008 10:30 AM
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timb Wrote:
Hi Mike,

Most stations I am seeing have a sign that states it can have up to 10%. FWIW I did notice a reduction in mileage since the switchover.

Tim

Thanks Tim. I just returned from a trip all the way through GA, and was surprised to see that Georgia was actually in worse shape gas-wise than Florida... it was more expensive and premium was harder to come by, and all the stations have the ethanol additive...

I hope things are better for you guys now. Prices are dropping here like a rock. You can actually find regular for under $3.00. Hope it stays that way or gets lower for another month, so I can afford the trip to SSHS-8

-mike

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96 GoldBird Wrote:
First of all, are they adding Ethanol to the pump gas up in Georgia? Down here in Florida, all of the generic stations (like 7-11) and most of the major oil company stations are adding 10% Ethanol to the pump gas.

Of course, they are nice enough not to change the price of the gas, at least not significantly, that I can see. Florida is way more expensive than Georgia and the rest of the South, and has been for years, so I can't really compare FL to GA prices, but now we are only getting 90% gasoline for what seems to be 100% of the price.... if it's lower, it's only a few cents, and you'd think if the addition of Ethanol lowered price, they'd be pushing that as a selling point. BP actually says they've added "Invigorate" to the gas, like it's a performance enhancing additive.

Does the Ethanol in the gas affect the tune at all?

I haven't really noticed that the vette runs any different than it did before, but the vette is set up with some kind of sensor that pulls spark if you get a hold of lower than 93 octane fuel - it's in the factory tune, so I wouldn't get any pinging, but performance would be affected - however since I'm not racing the vette, or really running her hard anywhere, I can't really tell a difference in performance. I can't really tell with the Harley, either - maybe a little more popping on deceleration, but I've got aftermarket pipes.

I would think that mileage would be affected, no???

I remember back in the day - late 70s, early 80's - I was living in Arizona, and a few stations started putting ethanol in the gas. It wreeked havoc on my 260Z. Some of the fuel fittings and hoses sprung leaks. Apparently whatever they were made of at the time - neoprene or whatever, or maybe the sealer they used dissolved in alcohol. Has anyone heard of any of these kinds of issues in today's cars using ethanol??

I try to avoid stations that have the ethanol, but it's getting harder and harder to do.

-mike



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ARIC@INJECTED Wrote:
Mike you have to much time.

You're damn skippy!

Thinking has always been my problem. My head is a dangerous neighborhood, I should not got in there alone....

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I thing you need a vacation to Dubai.

Actually, just the opposite... I need a f-----g job !!!

See ya'all in a couple of weeks...

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96 GoldBird Wrote:
First of all, are they adding Ethanol to the pump gas up in Georgia? Down here in Florida, all of the generic stations (like 7-11) and most of the major oil company stations are adding 10% Ethanol to the pump gas.

Of course, they are nice enough not to change the price of the gas, at least not significantly, that I can see. Florida is way more expensive than Georgia and the rest of the South, and has been for years, so I can't really compare FL to GA prices, but now we are only getting 90% gasoline for what seems to be 100% of the price.... if it's lower, it's only a few cents, and you'd think if the addition of Ethanol lowered price, they'd be pushing that as a selling point. BP actually says they've added "Invigorate" to the gas, like it's a performance enhancing additive.

Does the Ethanol in the gas affect the tune at all?

I haven't really noticed that the vette runs any different than it did before, but the vette is set up with some kind of sensor that pulls spark if you get a hold of lower than 93 octane fuel - it's in the factory tune, so I wouldn't get any pinging, but performance would be affected - however since I'm not racing the vette, or really running her hard anywhere, I can't really tell a difference in performance. I can't really tell with the Harley, either - maybe a little more popping on deceleration, but I've got aftermarket pipes.

I would think that mileage would be affected, no???

I remember back in the day - late 70s, early 80's - I was living in Arizona, and a few stations started putting ethanol in the gas. It wreeked havoc on my 260Z. Some of the fuel fittings and hoses sprung leaks. Apparently whatever they were made of at the time - neoprene or whatever, or maybe the sealer they used dissolved in alcohol. Has anyone heard of any of these kinds of issues in today's cars using ethanol??

I try to avoid stations that have the ethanol, but it's getting harder and harder to do.

-mike



Mike you have to much time. I thing you need a vacation to Dubai.


This is Aric's way of saying "don't worry about it" in case no one picked up on it.




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This is Aric's way of saying "don't worry about it" in case no one picked up on it.




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RYAN@INJECTED Wrote:
This is Aric's way of saying "don't worry about it" in case no one picked up on it.




-mike


Striking resemblance!!!




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